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 # ... etc ...
 ```
 
+Note that the `dot/packages/` directory is for reference and is the only directory included not meant to be used with stow. If this directory is stowed there will be no real change to the system - you will still need to install the package lists manually.
+
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+### Packages
+
+This directory houses lists of packages and NOT configurations managed by stow. You can stow these files, but note that you will have to manually use these lists to reinstall packages used by the configurations within this repository. These files are for reference only, and can be updated using the commands below, taken from [The Arch Wiki](https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#List_of_installed_packages) and some other resources.
+
+This repository uses pacman to manage packages, see the commands below for examples on how these lists were generated and how you can replace manually with your own if needed.
+
+```bash
+# List all of the installed packages
+pacman -Qqe > pkglist.txt
+# With option -t, the packages already required by other explicitly installed packages are not mentioned. If reinstalling from this list they will be installed but as dependencies only.
+pacman -Qqet > pkglist.txt
+# With option -n, foreign packages (e.g. from AUR) would be omitted from the list.
+pacman -Qqen > pkglist.txt
+```
+
+So I use the below commands to create backaups for pacman - 
+
+```bash
+# Store installed packages, excluding foreign
+pacman -Qqen > pkglist.txt
+# Use -Qqem to create the list of AUR and other foreign packages that have been explicitly installed.
+sudo pacman -Qqem > foreignpkglist.txt
+```
+
+See also the [Hooks Arch Wiki](https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman#Hooks) to automate this
+
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+# Tilix configuration error - backup tilix configs
+# tmux class in i3 config snaps firefox to terminal WS when googling 'tmux tpm etc..'
+
+# Pip installs
+sudo pip install powerline-shell
+
+#vscode extensions
+CMake
+CMake Tools
+
diff --git a/packages/pacman/foreignpkglist.txt b/packages/pacman/foreignpkglist.txt
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diff --git a/packages/pacman/pkglist.txt b/packages/pacman/pkglist.txt
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@@ -0,0 +1,323 @@
+accountsservice
+acpi
+acpid
+alsa-firmware
+alsa-plugins
+alsa-utils
+apparmor
+arandr
+artwork-i3
+autoconf
+automake
+avahi
+b43-fwcutter
+bash-completion
+bauh
+bdf-unifont
+binutils
+bison
+blueman
+bluez-utils
+bmenu
+btrfs-progs
+bzip2
+cantarell-fonts
+chromium
+clipit
+cmake
+cmatrix
+code
+coreutils
+cpupower
+crda
+cronie
+cryptsetup
+deluge
+device-mapper
+dfc
+dhclient
+dhcpcd
+diffutils
+discord
+dmidecode
+dmraid
+dnsmasq
+dosfstools
+downgrade
+e2fsprogs
+ecryptfs-utils
+efibootmgr
+epdfview
+exfat-utils
+f2fs-tools
+fakeroot
+ffmpeg
+ffmpegthumbnailer
+file
+filesystem
+findutils
+firefox
+flac
+flashplugin
+flex
+gawk
+gcc
+gcc-libs
+gcolor2
+gconf
+gdb
+geary
+gettext
+gimp
+git
+glibc
+gnome-keyring
+gparted
+grep
+grub
+grub-theme-manjaro-dev
+gst-libav
+gst-plugins-bad
+gst-plugins-base
+gst-plugins-good
+gst-plugins-ugly
+gstreamer
+gtksourceview-pkgbuild
+gufw
+gvfs
+gvfs-afc
+gvfs-gphoto2
+gvfs-mtp
+gvfs-smb
+gzip
+haveged
+hddtemp
+hexchat
+htop
+inetutils
+intel-ucode
+intellij-idea-community-edition
+inxi
+iproute2
+iptables
+iputils
+ipw2100-fw
+ipw2200-fw
+java-openjfx
+jfsutils
+jq
+kvantum-manjaro
+less
+lib32-flex
+lib32-libva-vdpau-driver
+lib32-mesa-demos
+lib32-mesa-vdpau
+lib32-vulkan-intel
+lib32-vulkan-radeon
+libdvdcss
+libgpod
+libreoffice-still
+libtool
+libva-mesa-driver
+libva-vdpau-driver
+licenses
+lightdm-settings
+lightdm-slick-greeter
+linux-firmware
+linux52
+logrotate
+lsb-release
+lvm2
+lxappearance
+lxinput
+m4
+maia-console
+make
+man-db
+man-pages
+manjaro-alsa
+manjaro-application-utility
+manjaro-browser-settings
+manjaro-firmware
+manjaro-hello
+manjaro-hotfixes
+manjaro-i3-settings
+manjaro-printer
+manjaro-ranger-settings
+manjaro-release
+manjaro-settings-manager-notifier
+manjaro-system
+markdown_previewer
+matcha-gtk-theme
+maven
+mdadm
+memtest86+
+mesa-demos
+mesa-vdpau
+mhwd
+mhwd-db
+mkinitcpio-openswap
+mlocate
+mobile-broadband-provider-info
+moc
+modemmanager
+morc_menu
+mousepad
+nano
+ncdu
+netctl
+network-manager-applet
+networkmanager
+networkmanager-openconnect
+networkmanager-openvpn
+networkmanager-pptp
+networkmanager-vpnc
+nfs-utils
+nss-mdns
+ntfs-3g
+ntp
+open-fuse-iso
+openresolv
+openssh
+os-prober
+p7zip
+pacman
+palemoon-bin
+pamac-gtk
+patch
+patchutils
+pciutils
+pcmanfm
+pepper-flash
+perl
+perl-file-mimeinfo
+pkgconf
+polkit-gnome
+polybar
+poppler-data
+powerline-fonts
+powertop
+procps-ng
+psmisc
+pygtk
+pyside2
+qt5-3d
+qt5-charts
+qt5-connectivity
+qt5-datavis3d
+qt5-declarative
+qt5-doc
+qt5-examples
+qt5-gamepad
+qt5-graphicaleffects
+qt5-imageformats
+qt5-location
+qt5-lottie
+qt5-multimedia
+qt5-networkauth
+qt5-purchasing
+qt5-quickcontrols
+qt5-quickcontrols2
+qt5-remoteobjects
+qt5-script
+qt5-scxml
+qt5-sensors
+qt5-serialbus
+qt5-serialport
+qt5-speech
+qt5-styleplugins
+qt5-tools
+qt5-translations
+qt5-virtualkeyboard
+qt5-wayland
+qt5-webchannel
+qt5-webengine
+qt5-webglplugin
+qt5-websockets
+qt5-webview
+qt5-xmlpatterns
+qt5ct
+ranger
+reiserfsprogs
+rsync
+s-nail
+sbxkb
+screenfetch
+sed
+shadow
+snapd
+spectre-meltdown-checker
+speedtest-cli
+steam-manjaro
+stow
+subversion
+sudo
+sysfsutils
+syslog-ng
+systemd-fsck-silent
+systemd-sysvcompat
+tar
+terminus-font
+texinfo
+tilix
+tlp
+tmux
+tree
+ttf-bitstream-vera
+ttf-dejavu
+ttf-droid
+ttf-inconsolata
+ttf-indic-otf
+ttf-liberation
+unzip
+upower
+usbutils
+util-linux
+vertex-maia-themes
+vi
+vibrancy-icons-teal
+viewnior
+vim
+vlc
+volumeicon
+vulkan-intel
+vulkan-radeon
+w3m
+wallpapers-juhraya
+wget
+which
+wmutils
+wpa_supplicant
+xarchiver
+xautolock
+xcursor-chameleon-pearl
+xcursor-maia
+xdg-su
+xdg-user-dirs
+xdg-utils
+xdotool
+xf86-input-elographics
+xf86-input-evdev
+xf86-input-keyboard
+xf86-input-libinput
+xf86-input-mouse
+xf86-input-void
+xf86-video-amdgpu
+xf86-video-ati
+xf86-video-intel
+xf86-video-nouveau
+xfburn
+xfce4-power-manager
+xfsprogs
+xorg-server
+xorg-twm
+xorg-xhost
+xorg-xinit
+xorg-xkill
+xorg-xprop
+xprintidle
+xterm
+yad
+yay
+zensu
+zsh
diff --git a/packages/snap/snapacks.txt b/packages/snap/snapacks.txt
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+Name               Version                     Rev   Tracking  Publisher     Notes
+bitwarden          1.16.6                      21    stable    bitwarden*    -
+core               16-2.42                     7917  stable    canonical*    core
+core18             20191010                    1223  stable    canonical*    base
+gnome-3-28-1804    3.28.0-10-gaa70833.aa70833  71    stable    canonical*    -
+gtk-common-themes  0.1-25-gcc83164             1353  stable    canonical*    -
+signal-desktop     1.27.4                      189   stable    snapcrafters  -
+spotify            1.1.10.546.ge08ef575-19     36    stable    spotify*      -